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21.11.2016

Roosh V banned me from Return of Kings after 2 years of commenting

Return of Kings is a great site. It has mostly good articles and I’ve been a regular commenter for about 2 years, give or take. It may have been a little less, but I can’t think of any quick way to check. After an estimated 12k of comments I left there (and about 9500 upvotes I got), I think it’s fair to call myself a regular there. I wasn’t a top dog by any means, as you can guess if you know my content. But I got to knew the other regulars there and they got to know me and I have had many interesting conversations with them, I think that’s a fair assessment. I also would say that I was mostly supportive of the general content and by no means a total troll, as I am sure most other commenters would agree.

The more disappointed was I when I got banned from commenting on ROK yesterday.

Here’s what happened.

There have been many articles about Trump on ROK, predictably. I like Trump, I really do. But I don’t think he is a messiah and I think we should wait and see if he delivers what he promised.

I got banned for a comment I left on the post “Men are Binded by Their Shared Realization of Truth” 3 days ago. This was the comment:

“We are the future?” Is that not a little narcissistic? Come on. It’s just an political bullshit game in the end. Why should any of us identify strongly with it?

Seriously, I get that its funny to make “God Emperor Trump” videos, but to really believe he is some kind of messiah … comparable to the moon landing … actually, why would anyone identify with the moon landing either? Who the fuck cares? Doesn’t anybody have a life beyond what the TV tells them?

We are neither exalted nor chosen by God. We are also just playing a part in the game. Surely a little humility can give a more realistic perspective.

Sometimes I wonder whether Trump is paying writers to write articles on ROK recently or whether this kind of political naivety is real.

(Link to the comment)

Now, I didn’t think much of that last paragraph and it was partly a humorous statement and I figured that after ROK published an article called “3 Reasons Why You Should Apply For A Job In The Trump Administration“, it was at most a little provocative. I also got a few replies from others who understood the message I was trying to convey. But hey, I take responsibility for what I wrote.

Anyhow, two days later I suddenly cannot comment anymore, because I was banned. I had forgotten about that comment and my first intuition was that it was actually for another comment I had left on the newer article “The Path Men Took To Trump“:

Aaand another Trump article.

Hey, you know, maybe historians will write about the internet. But just wait 20 more years. I think we are right now enjoying the peak of freedom and versatility on the internet. From a purely technical standpoint, nothing keeps the authorities from censoring and perfectly controlling the internet. But they won’t do that yet, because they first need us to become dependent on the internet entirely. ROK is a great example. Yes, we profit from this possibility. But, we also become dependent on a global system that can be taken away from us with the snap of a finger. Let’s face it; everyone who is making their money through the internet is at the mercy of the governments/elites/whatever. And they will use that power sooner or later, take my word for it.

(Link to the comment)

The second half of the comment isn’t really relevant, but I want to post it for sake of completeness.

Anyhow, I got pissed. There was no explanation, no warning, no notice as to why I was banned. So, being impulsive as I tend to be, I left the following comment with a second account:

After over a year of commenting, I get banned? And you do not even have the decency to tell me why? Fuck you, Roosh, or whomever banned me. You’re a cunt.

(Link to the comment)

A moderator replied with:

Please make sure it was intentional and not an error before going ham.

(Link to the comment)

To which I replied with:

That is why I wrote this comment, to give a chance to the possibility it was an error. I did not receive any info from anyone about being banned, I just was. If it was an error, I am ready to apologize for my rudeness.

(Link to the comment)

An hour or so later, that account was banned too.

So I wrote an email to ROK over the contact form, simply asking: Why was I banned?

Roosh personally replied, relatively quickly:

Accusing ROK writers of being paid shills. False accusations against ROK writers are never tolerated.

To which I replied, again angry and impulsive:

My comment was: “Sometimes I wonder whether Trump is paying writers to write articles on ROK recently or whether this kind of political naivety is real.”

Sure, you can interpret it as a false accusation, ignoring the ‘I wonder’. Whatever. You gotta admit the recent articles were a little flowery in their language about Trump, but my comment perfectly allowed for this to be due to ‘political naivety’. I guess it’s a little disrespectful at most.

But banning me after some 10k comments I left without forewarning? That’s weak, man. You could have warned me or something. Wouldn’t have thought you to be this sensitive. Come think of it, you do act exactly like the MSM you so despise. Instead of addressing my comment, you ban me for daring to say such an ‘outrageous thing’.

I’ll make sure to be spreading the message about how you treat your readers, Roosh.

Anyway, thanks for the reply.

Best regards,
Tom

Anyhow, that’s what happened. I’ll leave it to you to make up your own judgment, but my personal opinion here is that Roosh does not give much of a fuck about his commenters. I think it’s really bad form on his part, and that’s me being polite.

Of course it is his site and his absolute right to make that decision. I would never challenge that or demand to be allowed to comment again. And of course he doesn’t have to care about me.

Still, I think it says something about the person Roosh V. What does it say? Well, I’ll leave that up to you to decide.

Should I have tried to be diplomatic and have apologized and asked him to forgive me? Maybe that’d have been the smarter way, but I’m too childishly prideful for that. I don’t wanna be begging to participate on a site I am clearly no longer welcome on.

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  • Bishca

    I got banned there for saying Matt Forney looked much older than he is and should finally lose some weight. Also referencing lolknees ban at the time. I thought about asking for amnesty, or making another account, but that’s not really my style. I agree with Roosh on a lot of points, but as an individual he’s a bit of a cunt. Decided to take the opportunity to take a break from the sphere for a while to more fully work on myself.

    • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

      I was banned and reinstated after making a comment about forney too. He is the absolute worst example of a human being and not someone who ought to be emulated

      • Nobody

        I haven’t read much of Forney’s stuff. What’s wrong with it?

        • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

          Nothing is wrong with it I guess. He writes well and certainly is no dummy. I just happen to have a lot of differences in opinion. Like everything I suggest you read and decide for yourself. He is certainly worth considering whether you agree with him or not. Somehow he has attained sacred cow status which is disturbing to me, but it’s no skin off my back.

          In the end he is a very good writer who I just do not appreciate which certainly doesn’t make him “bad” or “wrong” just not to my liking

      • porcer34

        Everyone was sort of dancing around it at the time, and I couldn’t be certain which one it was. Did it involve the concept of raging? To a healthy confident mind, that should have fallen somewhere between ‘water off a ducks back’ to ‘maybe a little introspection is in order’. Also it was funny as hell.

        • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

          to this day I am not certain which comment it was. I know I called him fat at one point and also said he was a total wuss. I do not have a very high opinion of the man. But yeah, water off a ducks back would have been a more appropriate response.

          • Constantin

            Surprised to see you here. Just wanted to say I feel bad that you were banned from RoK. Again. I always enjoyed reading your comments, they were fun and positive in an otherwise pretty gloomy atmosphere from most articles(of which I was partially responsible for contributing, I admit). Truthfully, it’s gotten a bit dull without your wit in the comment section.

            Anyway, stay safe and good luck on your future endeavours. Hopefully we’ll be conversing again on that site.

      • Morrison

        lolknee hi – you and I as well have dialogged on ROK – at least you got reinstated. Did you send a letter inquiring and asking to be reinstated?

        • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

          I did. When I got banned I shot Roosh a letter. He got back to me a few days later and told me that personal attacks on ROK writers was a no no. After than he reinstated my acct. I followed up with a respectful but strongly worded letter with my opinion on the situation as well as a thank you for being reinstated but I never heard back. That was the end of it.

          • Red Hood’s Assault

            This is all fascinating. Somewhere in December, I was banned right before the New Year. I didn’t even realize it until I saw an image saying Return of Kings banned this profile. It was one of the articles which was written by Danger and Play and I had to decided to ask you about style tips, to which someone else responded.

            The following Friday I learned I was banned and had no idea why. I think Roosh addressed it indirectly, not sure, as comments taking away from the comment section will result in being viewed as a troll and banned. Within a few days of asking Roosh or whomever fields those questions, why I was banned, I was able to comment on ROK again. Interesting to see how many people also were banned or otherwise had their comments regulated.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Really fucking nutters.

          • Red Hood’s Assault

            It’s kind of a shame because things were far different for ROK when I first visited the site. Even the first year. Quintus used to drop the ban hammer and you always knew why or how you got banned, which is was mostly reserved for trolls or outlandish bigots. You could bring up facts from several sources if you had a disagreement and really make fleshed out discussions in the commentary sections. More often than not the real meat of the articles was the commentary section as many real men could discuss what they know or have noticed in their lives. My first couple of comments lead to a knuckle dragging argument with one guy who later became an ally and a open discussion with a woman who thought all the men posting were basement dwelling nerds puffing their chest to hide how atrocious they are with women.

            In the span of three years, a lot has changed with the site. It is almost on a weird space of trying to move the self help material to the white males who feel they need it, and while I am not sure how they utilize any of the information, it acts more like a floor to air their racial woes and how life hurt them.

            From 2013-2016 I dealt with a lot of deaths and the last one I faced changed a lot of my comments. I went from dynamic to angry. Still honest just angry and not as focused on self improvement. End of the day I would like to say this played into my own dance into banned land, but I don’t know for sure. All things stated, I see some semblances of the heart of the site remaining in tact, but in truth, I can’t explain the why of the change in any positive way. Shame since it has never been seen before such a space that was unabashedly for men looking to learn, grow, and improve in so many areas of life. Especially in America where as a guy, you really have to go above and beyond to get the lax attitude and free information women get in America.

      • jz95

        Guess I’ve joined the club today. Just found out I’ve been banned. Can’t exactly say I’m surprised though, lol.

        • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

          Wtf??? What did you say?

          • jz95

            Yep. Tried to post on that thread about western civilization being the best, found out I was banned.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            I like northern civilization lol

    • Swami_Salami

      I thought lifting and being in shape were red pill 101? I like some of Forney’s stuff but you’re right, he needs to lose weight.

      • icyt

        Red pill is only the recognition of reality. It forces you to acknowledge that women want to fuck fit guys but t doesn’t force you to get fit. That is a personal decision to make based on how important it is to you for women to want to get tingles for you. I’m redpilled but not presently looking ng to date so it doesn’t motivate me. I do moderate activity out if enjoyment and for health but not for aesthetics.

    • Nat G

      Banning you for a comment about weight???!!!! As if fat shaming was never seen in RoK lol

    • Just some guy

      I just got banned today because I asked another commenter to prove his god (the Christian one) was and he wouldn’t, so I asked again. He still wouldn’t, to which I replied “Still waiting for proof”. It was then that I got banned with no warning whatsoever.

      Turns out if you question these guys about their imaginary friends they turn into big cry babies who just shut you down, just like the liberals they hate.

      Fucking hypocritical pussies.

  • Roosh definitely has some skeletons in his closet. He’s not a perfect figure in the sphere. My first clue was that for as much as he writes about pickup, he doesn’t seem to have a whole lot of fun with it. Kinda doing it as an eternal revenge thing.

    I think Grodys #1 rule of the manosphere is in play here.

    #1. Does this person make money in the manosphere? Adjust expectations accordingly.

    • Jim Trompe

      The thing is its easy just to exaggerate stories. No one knows you are a Dog on the Internet. When you see Roosh’s body language and actual pickup in the few videos hes done, there is little game other than being able to approach. But he does give speeches and consistently write, and make money..aspects that are manly if not alpha.

      • jz95

        I have to say, I never understood why Roosh is held in such high regard for his writing. Almost every article I’ve ever read by him has been whiny in one way or another.

        • Jim Trompe

          Right you’ll read his story about traveling to another country, and it ends up generally complaining about everything, makes you wonder why he even went. But you have to realize how hard it is to blog day in day out, sun or shine, if he has a lower viewership growth rate because his material isn’t good, often it doesnt matter because he has been doing it so very very long.

      • Morrison

        “But he does give speeches and consistently write, and make money..aspects that are manly if not alpha”

        And I give roosh credit for his willing to go on that asinine Ukraine talk show, likewise the Dr. (not-a-real-doctor) Oz show – something I would never do.

        • Jim Trompe

          Very true. And usually now he leaves writing about game to capable authors on ROK like Troy Francis who strike me as having credible game.

        • Jim Trompe

          Why would you never do it?

          • Morrison

            Roosh got on these shows because he is a writer about game – I am not a writer, and also one can be assured that these shows spun Roosh in very unflattering way – and let’s face it – today the libtards are beyond insane and have access to all kinds of tools to do things like doxing – his home address in the USA was made public after his visit to Canada – this kinda thing.

          • Jim Trompe

            I have to tell you for me its things like that that actually energize me. Preparing for battle! I was in Colombia when it was actually dangerous, you feel like a wild animal walking down the middle of the street, wondering if someone with a gun might jump out of the bushes(there were bushes and there were people with guns). Those people are only dangerous in large groups, and even then they have to buck each other up to actually do something. Things are never as bad as they look or you imagine them to be. Reality is funny that way.

          • Morrison

            I agree the danger factor is when they are in groups – but groups they are in.

            I’m not afriad of danger – but I’m not a writer about game – that and even if I was writer on such a topic I’d still pass on involving myself with lowest common denominator venues.

          • Jim Trompe

            The term “wrestling with pigs” comes to mind.

  • Amy

    Hi all, I’d just like to share my story as a victim of Roosh sexual abuse and the struggles it resulted to.

    I think I was just a little girl aged 6 years old at the time. I was attending school. One time, I was left under the care of the assistant while my parents were away for the hour. He (Roosh) took me to a restroom, locked the door, and took advantage of my innocence as a child to show me his penis and convince me to show him mine vagina. To keep it short, let’s just say we “did anti-feminist things” with each other. Because he was a close friend of my parents, I was left under his care on multiple occasions. Because I was left under his care many times during that period, I ended up thinking this was normal.

    Fast forward to my job as a volunteer at ROK, I realized the abuse led me to get turned on by paedophiles like Roosh. I thought nothing of it until one time I saw a paedophile, using the urinal at a restroom next to me. I got curious, took a discreet peek at his thing, and realized I really am abnormally sexually attracted to paedophiles thanks to Roosh.

    Has anyone else suffered at the hands of this monster?

    • Please take this somewhere else, I don’t want my site to be a forum for such accusations, true or not.

      • codemonkey

        Hes just joking

    • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

      Do you also have a way to earn 98 dollars an hour?

  • jz95

    Man, that is bullshit. You’re one of the nicest guys that’s ever commented on ROK, Tom. My opinion of Roosh has been steadily declining in recent days, but this really takes the cake.

  • Leo III

    You earned that ban mate, over a long period of time. Your comments on ROK don’t provide any value. Your blog message is great but for some reason your ROK comments are terrible.

    This sums it up

    “To which I replied with:

    That is why I wrote this comment, to give a chance to the possibility it was an error. I did not receive any info from anyone about being banned, I just was. If it was an error, I am ready to apologize for my rudeness”

    Most of your ROK comments read like this. Picking a fight then saying you will apologise, something about being in error, then keep replying until your comment partner gets bored. A ban is better this way for you and ROK.

    • Wha? Who the fuck are you? Your comment doesn’t make any sense.

      • Leo III

        Ey, just dropping by. Basically, you weren’t banned because of your trump comments but because of the general quality of your comments over time, sorry to say. Roosh just needed an excuse

        • You don’t need to be sorry. I am sure there is quite a number of people who appreciated my comments, even if Roosh did not. But yeah, it does sound like a very bad excuse, so maybe that is the way he saw it.

        • Btw, I think you’re just a troll. ROK members don’t tend to be pussy enough to come to my page without revealing their identity to tell me I am making bad comments, and neither are they dumb enough to make such weird and nonsensical generalizations about my comments.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Ha. I am guessing that Leo 3 is Forney

          • I kinda doubt it. Don’t see why Forney would have to hide behind an anonymous nick.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Hard to say. My take on Forney through his ROK articles and the articles on his own site is that he is exactly that type. I’ve never met the man and don’t know and, quite frankly, it doesn’t much matter. Your ban from ROK is troubling to me as it is one of a number of things that has been going on these last few months that makes me think that things are changing and not for the better.

          • Heh. You know, here’s the thing. You may imply he is a coward. But I am a coward and I know how a coward thinks. A coward avoids risk. There is no risk in beating a beaten dog. There is no risk in trolling someone who has already been banned.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            I don’t think he is a coward to be honest. I give credit where credit is due. He holds a lot of unpopular opinions and does so quite openly. His face and name are both out there. I am sure that this will have negative effects on him in the future (at least insofar as he will be blackballed from certain jobs) and he does it anyway. That strikes me as being at least somewhat brave. It certainly is something I would never even consider doing. If I thought, for one moment, that my way of life might ve threatened even a little bit I would never say a word.

            While he doesn’t strike me as necessarily cowardly he does strike me as small and petty and, well, for lack of a better word “smarmy.” It is exactly the beating of a beaten dog that is the act of the impotent who finally realizes some small modicum of power that I feel, by reading his articles, he is capable of.

          • “He holds a lot of unpopular opinions and does so quite openly. His face and name are both out there. I am sure that this will have negative effects on him in the future (at least insofar as he will be blackballed from certain jobs) and he does it anyway. That strikes me as being at least somewhat brave.”

            True that.

          • codemonkey

            Avoiding risk doesnt make a man a coward. Thats sane behavior. Its refusing to risk even when the situation calls for risk that makes a man a coward.

          • icyt

            Even if someone is trolling they are never just a troll. I say that as someone who has trolled on occasion. Trolling is a process, a behavior, but there are other traits the person has and which are at play in how they troll and where and when and why.

          • That’s a logical statement. Does this allow any conclusions regarding this guy that affect my judgment of his comments?

          • icyt

            Conclusions are fine but are more realistic if they avoid absolutes.

            By the way, I think Padme only held authority over Anakin in the first film as his princess/queen. Once he became a Jedi I don’t think he would have been subject to Naboo law, instead the Jedi and their Padawan served the Republic as a whole.

            While she was a senator, there were a bunch of those and I don’t think they commanded the Jedi, the Jedi just kept them safe and stuff.

            Padme falling for Anakin is much more believable if you watch the Clone Wars animated series. He is much more masculine and mature in that compared to episode 2 or 3. Basically the problem is the live films dont show the years of the war where their relationshipndeveloped. The time skip fucked it up and made it seem rushed.

            If you watch that then maybe you could work what happened to Ahsoka in the end of the series into the explanation of his breakdown in Revenge of the Sith.

          • I don’t think calling someone a troll is an absolute that denies him his humanity, just like I don’t mean to say someone is ‘just’ an idiot when I call him an idiot. I was just describing his behavior, that’s all.

            Yeah, good points man. I read about that Ashoka thing, but I never cared to watch the Clone Wars aside from like 10 episodes, because it’s just terribly badly produced in my opinion. I just can’t enjoy it.

            But my article wasn’t so much about whether the ‘real’ Anakin was manly. I was making a statement about a film as it was presented to the public and, with it, ideas that it transported in my interpretation. I don’t mean to insult Anakin. He’s not a real person anyway. I am criticizing the movie.

          • Jim Trompe

            I like 4chan, trolls get zero attention. You have to say or do something interesting, to get a reaction. If only we could train all of the posters this way.

        • codemonkey

          Thats a load of shit and you know it.

          Tom writes good stuff and hes a great guy.

          The fact that an Israeli nationalist can say that about German nationalist speaks volumes.

          Whoever you are, “Leo”, you are a petty cunt.

  • michaelmobius1

    ROK is down right now. Must be Karma. Or whoever’s controlling it

    • Rofl. No, I wouldn’t wish that on ROK, despite this. It’s still a good site.

      • michaelmobius1

        had to check it wasn’t you using some kind of ddos attack juju. Good to see your site is still going strong

        • Hah. Yeah, I somehow managed to keep it up for, what, almost 2 years now. Funny that even in this short time span, I’ve already seen other blogs go.

          • michaelmobius1

            ROK is just down, not out hopefully. Sure you’ll be back

          • Yeah, it’s been down in the past. Hope I get to read that article about feminism being a shit test soon, heh.

          • michaelmobius1

            That one still up. It’s just the ones the elites don’t like that are down

          • Not up for me. Maybe it depends on which CloudFlare server is responsible for your location of residence.

          • michaelmobius1

            Didn’t know they varied by locality.

            Roosh must have a real sense of deja vu right now

          • It’s just a guess. It would be very weird if it was locality-dependent programmatorically, but I can’t think of another explanation.

          • michaelmobius1

            Maybe, I haven’t checked since discussing it but from memory that article was the last available

      • TSK

        At least you are not vindictive and don’t hold grudges.

        • Oh, I’m pissed. But me being pissed at Roosh doesn’t mean that he is wrong about everything.

  • jz95

    Funny. For someone who claims to care so much about free speech, Roosh banned you for doing precisely that.

    • We humans are one hypocritical lot, aren’t we.

      • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

        menschliches allzumenschliches

    • codemonkey

      I think he over reacted.

  • Karolina Nowicka

    Gee, I understand that they had to ban someone like me, a woman mocking “manosphere” guys, but banning YOU? Very sorry for that.

  • yup

    Dude. You were banned!!! WTF!?!?! Sometimes the ban hammer drops in unconventional strange patterns on ROK. I’ve seen regulars get banned for nothing, and rabid feminist posts left up, without being banned. Any chance you’ll be back???

    • After this communication with Roosh? I doubt it. I think I fucked up whatever chance there was of getting back, heh. Not that I regret having done it this way.

      I am wondering though if this makes me eligible for a refund of my Gold membership at RVF. Hm.

      • yup

        I don’t know if the comment community is aware of it over there. I just found out by reading an older ROK article, and following your disqus profile to this article. Shocked to hear this news!!!

        • Well, that’s life, ain’t it. I am disappointed, but I’ll live.

          • yup

            The next article, i’ll mention something in the Comment section. Maybe it’ll create a stir, and potentially reinstate your ability to comment, like how lolknee was unbanned.

          • Heh. Thanks mate. But be careful to not get yourself banned as well!

          • yup

            Thanks. I’ll keep that in mind.

  • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

    Sucks Tom. The hypersensitive at ROK seems to have gone full tilt side by side with a lot of other disturbing trends

    • jz95

      The site has been noticeably declining in recent months, in terms of both articles and commenters.

      • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

        agreed. I was hoping that now that politics bowl was over it would start getting back to normal. There are a lot of good authors on the site and some that I particularly like. But the messianic trump message combined with the influx of white nationals is starting to make the site seem slightly ridiculous and burry the stuff that is interesting.

        • jz95

          A lot of these people are going to be extremely disappointed with Trump’s presidency. The hag didn’t win. Great. Fantastic, even. But it’s like you say, a lot of the writers and commenters on the site seem to worship the man as God incarnate. Things can certainly get better. What’s more I think they will. But the ’50s are never coming back. Nothing can bring those days back again.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            The 50’s are also idealized to a high degree. There is a reason that people in the 50’s didn’t just say “hey! this is awesome! it’s the 50’s! Let’s keep everything exactly the way it is!” Nothing is perfect and people are constantly striving for evolution and change. the ’10’s have been pretty good and I am looking forward to the roaring 20’s.

          • Morrison

            But I think that things change anyway – even if people are happy with the status quo. Back then one could get a job with an 8th grade education and even with a modest job get a modest home and afford a wife and kid. Today? No way.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            I don’t see why not. I see plenty UPS drivers, brick layers, carpenters, con ed guys and stuff like that making a little life for themselves

          • Morrison

            “Little life” is correct – with no opportunities to get ahead in life (I aldo hear that wotking at UPS is like working in a German labor camp) like it was in the 1960’s – but I suppose today one should br grateful for a basic roof over one’s head and food on the table.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            But see that’s the problem with modernity. People think about getting ahead in their own life. My great grandfather thought about his son being further ahead and he thought about his children. A person with an 8th grade education who works a job, eventually pays off his home and sends his son on his way a little further thinking ahout long term muli generational goals. If the guy wanted to focus solely on his own life and making it that much better he has to either be top .00001% of talented and lucky or invest more in on the front end

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            this thing that really gets me about Trump is that he has somehow fooled an enormous swath of people in the unchartered territories between new York and California that he is on their side. Basically, the rural Americans who believe in nationalism and traditional values have elected a thrice married (the last time to a confirmed hooker), bloviating, pompous, over compensating real estate developer and Hollywood personality from NYC. The ride that people got taken on this time is even more hilarious than when a new England blue blood, yale legacy, skull and bones businessman convinced these same people he was a regular joe because he put on a cow boy hat. The desire for change has allowed for what might be the largest case of collective reaction formation in the history of mankind.

          • jz95

            Most people are fucking idiots. You know that.

          • icyt

            Why exactly is being thrice married out if line with traditional values? Did Donald initiate the divorces? Polygamy is also traditional.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Well I haven’t met a lot of people who claim traditional values and marry prostitutes but whatever I won’t make value judgements. I think all marriage is silly.

            Donald is not a polygamist he is an attention whore and a weirdo and makes John Edwards seem masculine. No idea how he will be as a president, good, bad or indifferent we will see. He is the president elected by the nation that let Kim Kardashian build a half billion dollar media empire. He is a laughable, pathetic human being. That said, maybe he will be a good president. Time will tell.

          • jz95

            Well, Kneeman (or Hipponax now, I suppose, lol), it’s been ten months since you wrote this, and every word has been 100% accurate. Looks like you were right again, as usual.

          • Hipponax (μητροκοίτης)

            Always

          • Hipponax (μητροκοίτης)

            The only thing I was wrong on was I didn’t think he would actually get elected and with so many votes. In the end my optimism allowed for me to overestimate the intelligence of the people who live between NY and CA. I really thought they would see through this nonsense. One side of me wants to believe it was just such a passionate desire for change that let them be taken in by a snake oil salesman and on the other side I feel they are just rubes and rubes gonna rube. Truth is somewhere between I guess

          • jz95

            The crazy thing is, even though it’s plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain cell that he:
            1) Has no fucking idea what he’s doing, and
            2) Has caused the absolute worse trash in the country (on both sides of the spectrum, tbqh) to believe that they are vastly more important and influential than they actually are,
            these same people still stand by him.

          • Hipponax (μητροκοίτης)

            Circus loves a clown. I think it is fairly clear every time he speaks that trump is very low iq. I do think he probably has some excellent PR people who have learned how to spin shit to fool the rubes big time

          • jz95

            The worst part about this whole thing is he still has a solid chance of being reelected, simply because the Democrats are too dumb to run a moderate candidate, and the Republicans are too spineless and divided to run someone who can actually defeat him in the primary.

          • Hipponax (μητροκοίτης)

            Eh it’s neither here nor there. I don’t think it really matters who president is and I’m certain I don’t care. National politics is like college sports: entertainment for people who live in places with nothing to do. I live in NYC with real things to deal with and plenty to do so national politics are just something I’m not interested in

          • jz95

            Once again, it seems like you’re right. I was so wrapped up in all this shit it was actually making me physically ill. I’ve slowly been distancing myself from following all this political fuckery, and my quality of life has noticeably improved.

          • Morrison

            “Things can certainly get better. What’s more I think they will. But the ’50s are never coming back. Nothing can bring those days back again.”

            I know…. this sucks, but you are correct.

        • Iattacku

          I would give you a thousand thumbs up knee. I have gotten tired of the Trump dick riding on ROK. Goodness do people realize that Trump is more left wing than right wing. And yes i agree the white nationalism is getting crazy on that site. Its like they forgot that most white guys,like most blacks,asians,hispanic,etc are beta simps. I was thrown for a loop when I saw an article complaining about black men with white women and then scrolling back and finding articles about banging latina and asian women.

          • jz95

            There are days where I seriously think Roosh’s thought process is something like this:
            “Hmmm, if I sell out my entire non-white readership, maybe the white nationalists will let me keep fucking white women.”

          • Iattacku

            it does. they kill me with the whole white nationalist thing. Especially when they get the whole aww the pooo white man the world is against him. I’m thinking good lord you guys are men not babies stop whining.

          • jz95

            I do agree that there is an anti-white male attitude that is very pervasive these days, but yeah, they’re no better than the blacks who blame whitey for all their problems.

          • TSK

            RoK is basically stromfront except the creator of RoK himself isn’t even white lol.

    • yup

      yup. Now i’m in the same boat as Tom.

      • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

        You too!?????????

        • yup

          Yessir.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            What did you say?

          • yup

            I think it had to do with my comments Regarding Tom.

          • Word Onfire

            Sorry to hear about your ban. I enjoyed reading of you and Tom.

          • yup

            Thank you.

      • codemonkey

        Whoa. That is not right.

        • yup

          I guess thats what happens when you try and stick up for a fellow ROK commenter. You get banned.

          • codemonkey

            Wow.

          • yup

            Yup. Lol. Oh well..

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            the whole thing seems odd. I really don’t understand why the Forney love. I actually sent and email to Roosh when I had the ban hammer dropped where I politely said that Forney seems to be to be the absolute worst kind of person to be supportive of for a group of people who takes self-betterment seriously. He is basically the alt-right answer to Rosie O’Donnell

          • yup

            Lol. Yeah. Idk if forney banned me or who is responsible for it. I asked Roosh why i was banned on his other website , but so far no reply. I guess this is how they treat their supporters. It really makes the whole freedom of speech image the website is trying to convey look really phoney…when regular commenters get banned for nothing, its really hypocritical.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Roosh took a few days to get back to me told me not to make personal attacks against writers on the site and then lifted the ban. I did send him an email thanking him but outlining why I think Forney is dangerous to hold up without ridicule. Forney def has some strange pull. I don’t get it, but then again I don’t understand a lot of things.

          • yup

            In my case, i dont know who is resposible for my banning, if it gets lifted great, if not oh well, they’ve shown their true colors with how they treat their supporters, and they have shown their true nature in terms of freedom of speech, even if my ban is lifted, i don’t know if i’ll go back, everbody in the comment section is great, but if you gotta walk on eggshells when commenting because some mod is to much a snowflake to handle it, and they ban you, it just doesn’t seem worth it, so much for a Masculine environment, some mod over there is as touchy as a bitch in HR… You don’t happen to know of any other redpill manoshpere sites with a comment section by any chance, do you?

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            nope, only this one. This may all work out for Arrow. His site can be like the Island of Misfit Toys.

          • yup

            Dude. Lol. I was thinking just that. Tom can change his blog name to “ROK Castaway” .

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Will have to change your name to Charlie in a Box.

          • yup

            Heh. Yeah. Idk, i don’t think i’ll change my name, if i got to jump through hoops its just not worth it.

          • Bishca

            I was in the same boat contemplating just making another account. But I had nothing to apologise for. Forney is fat and looks much older than his years. I pointed that out in a fashion I consider gently ribbing then pointed out the absurdity of banning lolknee, the second hallmark of ROK after GoJ. I do not regret anything I said and stand by my comments. So Roosh and Forney can go circlejerk over their hypocrisy while I read less and less of their diatribe as it loses relevance and spirals out of reality. So much for being red pill.

          • yup

            Like i’ve been saying, if this is how they treat their supporters after yeara of commenting. It’s pretty shitty.

          • jz95

            Danger and Play?

          • yup

            Thanks for the tip. I had heard of them, but never really read their stuff. I’ll definitely give them a shot. Thanks!

          • Jim Trompe

            Danger and Play is someone i hate, I called him out on the seriously shitty grow man tits steroid advice he was giving his readers and he banned me.

          • Jim Trompe

            I don’t see Forney as bad, he seems to have problems like everyone, and is trying everything to make a go of it. It never happens overnight. He actually had some groundbreaking political news that there was insider stock trading in DNC leaks. His political stuff was the only stuff of his I’ve read that I thought was above average. I suspect if they were giving him special consideration it was because of his effort.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            I give him credit for being a good writer and journalist as well as having the courage of his convictions and not hiding his name or face while holding dangerously unpopular opinions. Those are excellent and rare qualities which I do not believe anyone can take from him.

            I do find other qualities in him…not bad, I don’t want to say bad….but distasteful and I find it difficult to respect him as a man despite his talents. Indeed, I believe that being a talented guy makes the other stuff worse.

            Now I have not met the man and all I know comes from his articles on ROK and his own website but there is a serious lack of masculinity, childishness, effeminate anger and impotence that I see in his writing that makes me feel that he is not someone who should be held in such deference as an example.

            Further, his sacred cow status makes me uneasy. I have found it to be true in my life that anyone or anything that is held up above criticism where swift punishment is doled out for mere critique that that person or thing is most in need of the very critique they are inoculated against

          • Jim Trompe

            All people have defects, shit tests from women and insulting friends is a good practice to toughen each other up. Even the buddhists would regularly insult buddha to prevent making a sacred cow.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            Well said sir

          • icyt

            Name something worthwhile Rosie wrote.

          • lolknee✓ᴺᶦʰˡᶦˢᵗ

            I certainly can’t…that was kind of the point

          • Jim Trompe

            No we got lolknee back sticking up for him.

          • yup

            Well. Its the only reason i can think of for my banning. I spoke on behalf of Tom, and presto, within a day i was banned. I didnt verbally attacked a mod. My disqus profile is open, my last comments on ROK are there, nothing bad or ban worthy was said.

          • Jim Trompe

            I spoke up for Tom twice, no ban for me (yet). Frankly I’ve always been amazed I havent been banned before, I have more than a few extremist viewpoints, and aren’t shy about calling a spade a spade. Must be my cute picture.

          • yup

            Yeah it’s probably the pic :). The timeline of events goes as follows. I spoke on behalf of Tom on two seperate articles,then i made a Kratom joke( joke had nothing to do with Tom, nor was it a kratom joke directed at the mods, nor could it be possibly interpreted in any way, to be offensive to anyone, just a standard Kratom joke) , the next day I go to comment, and i’m informed i’ve been banned. The only explanation i can discern from this, is that a mod got upset by my speaking on behalf of Tom, and decided to ban me…unless they’re banning people for Kratom jokes these days…honestly, for the little, infinitesimal, “offenses”, Tom and I are supposedly guilty of, there really is no acceptable reason that adequately explains why a banning was necessary for Us…maybe, the mods have a “power trip” and felt that Tom and I, were questioning their divine judgment, and by doing so, commiting blasphemy, so as punishment, we are both exiled as heritics.

          • Jim Trompe

            If only they banned Kratom comments ;).

          • yup

            Truth is Jim, even if they tried, it can’t be done. Remember, It’s Kratom we’re talking about here…

          • Jim Trompe

            Kratom bans you!

          • Thanks.

            I think it’s as yup says, the generic looking userpic. The mod was probably thinking he may be a doppelganger.

          • yup

            You think the mod thought you were me?

          • I don’t see why else they would’ve banned you. I only saw one of your comments on my behalf, but it was pretty respectful.

          • Oh. Just saw the ‘The Irony. Arrow 2017’ comment. That was edgy!

          • yup

            The hypocrisy of the article where i made that comment, is priceless.

          • It was a great comment, but I’m afraid it’s the reason you are no longer a king, nor returning in the near future, hehe.

          • yup

            Probably right, but sometimes you just gotta cut loose and say “Fuck it!”..i had a hunch that comment did me in, but was it a comment that legitimately warranted a ban? No. Not by any reasonable standard of judgment. Nor did the comments you made warrent a ban either.

          • Exactly, that’s why I didn’t play nice with Roosh either and wrote this article.

            As for reasonable … well, I suppose we all have different values. I would agree with you, but then, I’m not Roosh, am I. Am I? *tinfoil rustling^

          • yup

            Shit!!! You could be!!! Imposter!!!!!!

          • I am Roosh. I wanted to get rid of you, but needed a good (that is, a better than totally terrible) pretense to ban you. Thus I, over two years, created the alter ego Tom Arrow, then banned myself, then wrote this article, knewing you would fall for it and play hero. The rest of the story is known.

            Check and mate.

          • yup

            Impressive, particularly the part of banning yourself, very nice touch. Except there’s only one detail you over looked, and that is that i’m actually Forney!!!! And that i also knew two years ago you’d make a fake Tom Arrow acount, and that eventually you’d ban yourself, and that after you banned yourself, you’d ban me, and that by doing so, i’d be forced to come to this comment section, where you were, and it would become a place where we could both be together at last, both Roosh and Forney. …WTF!?!?!?

          • Nice gay note on that, bro … yuck.

          • yup

            Lol, well with those two, you never know…

          • Btw, I just started putting big names of the manosphere into the Anagram checker … http://anagram-solver.net/

            Not found anything yet, but this shall make for some fun!

          • yup

            Could make for some interesting results.

          • Not very conspiratory, but so far I found that Corn Flakes are an anagram of Frank Close.

          • And America is an anagram of Arameic

          • TSK

            It’s messed up how they banned you just because they didn’t like what you wrote of Trump. I mean you were long time user who commented on that website and if this is how they boot you out, I can’t imagine.

            Oh by the way, what happened to your critique and review of bold and determined link? I tried to find out but it doesn’t seem to be available anymore.

          • Thanks. It was (apparently) because I insinuated something about the writers on ROK. Oh well. His site, his rules, right? Still a dick move. It’s not like I was a troll.

            I took that one down to avoid legal complications with B&D. My attempt at being sarcastic was not appreciated.

          • TSK

            Did Victor Pride threatened to sue you? I mean I can’t imagine what you might have possibly wrote. Just makes me curious to know more lol.

          • I will not answer that question.

          • yup

            Lol, i’m tired, i read it wrong, nevermind.

          • yup

            Lolknee may be the first and last to be unbanned, i suspect the mods don’t want people to get an impression that they’ll cave and unban people at the request/demand of every banning situation.

          • Jim Trompe

            The whole thing is juvenile, and ultimately harms them. They are beta for having to ban, and they receive lower quality comments. Best to save banning for fraudsters and bots.

  • Nobody

    We hope they will bring you back, man. It was good having you post Red Pill truths often in a silly way. Too much seriousness is not good. That’s what the ROK staff didn’t get, it seems.

  • fatherofthree

    That’s nothing, try the roosh forum – it’s like a trumpian church. You get banned on the spot if express a tiny bit of criticism about trump. Roosh is a nice man but he’s kind of lost now. After decades of hedonism he now finds himself on a crossroad. He’s like a born again Christian who are the worst kind. His reasons to be 100% pro-trump are purely commercial as it’s what sells nowadays.

    Look at your ban in a positive way – you spent way too much time on that site which benefits only roosh financially.

    • Some truth to it.

    • icyt

      If you criticize Trump you are obviously too serious to get the joke and play along lamewad.

    • Joelsuf

      Oh yeah that place is like tumblr but for Alt-Rights. I got banned from there way before Roosh ever got popular. I forget what exactly got me banned but it was for something stupid.

      Alt Rights and SJWs are two sides of the same coin it seems.

      • jz95

        “Alt Rights and SJWs are two sides of the same coin it seems.”
        Bingo.

    • TSK

      We don’t know for sure if Roosh is really 100% pro trump or not. Because online people can say anything. Right now I would say almost all the audience for red pill are die-hard Trump supporters and Roosh is a businessman first and foremost. We can’t forget that and he knows how masses think. So Roosh is basically more like catering to his large audience and give them what they want to hear so they can come back and buy more of Roosh’s book and help him financially.

      Most people want to hear what they want to hear.

      • fatherofthree

        He’s got portrait of Trump hanging on the wall in his living room.

        • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

          I hate it when these self-proclaimed “neo-masculines” starting to fan-girling over Trump.

          • Hell yeah … I mean, Trump seeems like a cool guy to me personally. (his birthday is even one day before my own). But he ain’t God. It’s all become a cult. “Neo-masculine cult” and “Trump cult”.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            What’s next? Masturbate to the picture for Trump’s glory? Gimme a break! I see why people are rooting for him, but that guy isn’t a Messiah. The fuck.

          • It’s all a bit silly. But that’s kinda what ‘leaders’ are about on the ‘world stage’. It’s all a personality cult. You know how they even talk about the president’s “families” and this whole “First Lady” and even “First Son” crap. It’s ridiculous. But it is what it is. We are all conditioned to expect and sustain this silly game and we probably don’t even scratch the surface regarding how deep that shit goes.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            I’m feeling like I’m watching some kind of cheap hideous boring play and just wanting it to be over soon.

          • I know the feeling. Yes. It’s hideous. Bland. And yet one is forced to observe how one can not escape the blandness. Terrifying.

  • bem

    This is an unsettling development. I already miss your contributions.
    I think Roosh is making a mistake by punishing dissent; its been my observation that the truly useless, stupid, or harmful commenters generally get ignored and fizzle out on their own.

  • FinnShane

    I must say that for all his articles extolling the virtues of stoicism Roosh acted rather unstoically in this matter. Damn shame.

    • Yup, well said.

    • icyt

      Just to clarify…. are you sure that Roosh replying with reasons supporting the ban necessarily means he did it himself?

      What if it was a mod and he is being loyal to him?

  • porcer34

    Just getting up to speed on this one, Tom. You are correct, it was not a false accusation; it’s more of a metaphor than anything. Your criticism of the article(s) is also valid, by which I mean you aren’t just trolling. They would have been better addressed directly with a reply (“No, we aren’t being paid by team Trump, we actually think he is a god”) instead of a ban.

    I’m of the opinion Roosh violates a few of his core beliefs, namely self-improvement and pursuit of truth, when what should be open to discussion is off limits. There must be a way to express valid points of view. A parliamentary privilege, if you will.

    • Agreed.

      • yup

        Well Tom. Looks like the Ban Hammer has finally found Me as well. Heh.

        • No way! Shit man. Sorry for that. But: Told ya!

          Nevertheless, I read that thread you started and appreciated it a lot, so thanks for the try.

          • yup

            No problem Man. Ya i kinda figured it would happen, but for them to just sweep you under the rug like that after 2 yrs, i figured i had to say something. The comment section over there is becoming very conformist , your either part of the echo chamber, or you’re gone. For a website that supposedly prides itself on free speech, it doesn’t tolerate a whole lot of different opinions in the comment section.

          • Yeah seems so, but I have to say I didn’t see it coming (for you or me neither).

            Hey, you know, it could also be Roosh thought you were me under another nick doing some con game. Wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t even care enough to check your past comments.

          • yup

            Maybe. Idk. Either way , its real shitty. So much for speaking your mind like Men in that comment section.

          • Yah, that time’s over. I’d recommend gab.ai but even they have now caved to some regulations (they now oppose ‘violent speech’ or ‘advocation of violence’). Frankly, I think the internet is soon no longer a place for free speech. Locker room may have to suffice in the upcoming times.

          • yup

            Of course the trannies are in the locker rooms now so….ever thought about expanding your blog?

          • Oh and there’s always (for now) a handful of Facebook groups where you can troll … although I was reported at least 5 times already too. Meh.

          • Phew. Maybe someday. I’d probably just start a new one, because I tend to be kinda clingy about my old work and don’t want to change the ‘feel’. But that’s not a priority for me right now.

          • yup

            Here’s an idea you can totally steal from me as i plan on never having the time patiences or energy to learn how to create a blog. But the ideas premise, is a blog where it is simply an open discussion , and each article is not really an article at all, but a question posed by the mod, or submitted to the blog by a reader, and the people in the comment section all talk about the topic. So for example an article question could be (basic example) what is your favorite color? And then the comment section would discuss the question posed, so essentially its a blog set up to focus on maximizing the involvement of the comment section where articles are themed questions . Anyways im off to bed , goodnight.

          • Like Reddit? Heh.

          • yup

            Ha. Yeah. Come to think of it. I guess that idea already exists. Might be interesting to see a blog set up in a similar structure, but who knows.

          • Heh but what is a blog exactly? Does a blog have a strictly defined “blogness” that other sites lack?

          • yup

            I always thought a blog was a place where issues of interest to a writer is discussed. Like an open diary.

          • Ha true that

            A blog is something personal like a diary

            My old boss never understood that I think He always wanted to have a blog because he thought a blog is “cool” and “trendy” but he basically just reposted some boring corporate news there and wondered why no one was reading it Hmmmm!

          • yup

            Maybe start a manosphere blog and compete with ROK?

          • Pick a name:
            – Return of Vikings
            – Turn of Things
            – Retard of Kings
            – Burns and Stings
            – Churn your Wings
            – Learn to Fling
            – Stern and Chi-lling
            – Mourns about Billing

          • yup

            Not sure yet, but not a bad start!

          • TSK

            All funny names.

          • Johnny Montoya
  • Joelsuf

    So ROK is no better than the feminists that they are campaigning against. I smell a collusion between them. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were supporting each other under the table.

  • Joelsuf

    btw I got banned from Roosh’s board just for joking and rustling their jimmies and that was in 2009 or so. This was weeks after I got banned from Atheism+ for being a devil’s advocate for Men’s Rights. So I’ve known this for years. When anyone speaks out against the collective agenda, they get taken down hard.

    • icyt

      Why the fuck are you complaining about Atheism Plus? What did you expect?

      • Joelsuf

        I didn’t expect anything I’m just comparing Roosh and the rest of the “manosphere” to Atheism plus and other SJWs. They both want what’s best for them at the expense of everyone else.

  • codemonkey

    Eh, I also got banned a while back for something stupid, just make a second screen name and log back in.

    Its annoying and even painful, but BFD. Consider it a right of passage.

  • codemonkey

    Actually, the comment you got banned for makes sense. Banning you for it only implies that it was true.

  • Drifter

    Tom, I’m convinced that your comment about wondering if the ROK writers were getting paid for their Trump support cut too close to the bone. Even if they are not getting paid (yet) I’m sure they expect favorable treatment from the Trump administration, Forney in particular. I stopped reading Forney’s articles after lolknee got banned and my money says it was Forney who appeared as a sock puppet trying to push lolknee’s buttons after his ban was lifted. I wasn’t always Drifter, I got banned over 3 years ago by a butthurt ROK writer too delicate to take a joke.

    • yup

      Yeah the butthurt is strong with some over there for sure.

      • Drifter

        The writer in my case only wrote one article for ROK then disappeared, never answering my question why I was banned. He returned last year in the comment section and I told him who I was and reminded him what he did. Then I asked what a whining, sniveling little bitch like him was doing at a site for men. That’s the last I ever heard from him.

        • yup

          Who was it. ( btw , im banned too )

          • Drifter

            He had his own website (where he refused to answer my question why I was banned). His now defunct website was also his handle “neobushi”

    • Yeah who knows. On the other hand I kinda doubt ROK is influential enough to be actively observed by the powers that be. I’ve seen some list on RationalWiki or something of ‘bad sites’. Mine is on it too as are thousands (?) or at least hundreds of others. Hell I actually even wonder if those feminist harpies are a real big thing or if they are really just some little cult over in the US. I mean, media and politics suggests it is a big thing, but in the end, do normal average people even care? Are feminists not about as important as Scientology? Occasionally annoying people and making them aware of their presence, but never really seen as important?

      On the other hand, the lawmakers do think its important, as opposed to Scientology. Heh. Makes all the difference, doesn’t it. Go figure.

      • Joelsuf

        Feminists are just a little cult in the US. And even then, they aren’t that bad. I’ve even dated and had sex with feminists. They talk big online but in person they are approachable. They just don’t like dick measuring scrubs. Normal average people don’t care about them at all.

        • icyt

          What is a dck measuring scrub? I don’t understand this reference.

          • Joelsuf

            Closet faggot ass boys who waste all their energy trying to impress people with their possessions and muscles etc. Real men don’t need to do this. Its a reference to the TLC song “No Scrubs”

          • Good point, but then, trying to be a ‘real man’ is not very manly in itself, is it? And while doing this to impress people is a sign of insecurity, I don’t see why a man could not choose to build muscles because it brings him joy. Certainly there are shades of grey there.

          • Joelsuf

            When I lift weights, the only person I’m trying to impress is myself. I want cool gadgets and possessions for me and me only. When I approach, I don’t belligerently hit on chicks like these scrubs do. And my playlist doesn’t have shitty hip hop songs that talk about white knighting chicks like they do either.

            If its wrong to be anti-scrub, then I don’t want to be right.

          • Yeah that’s kinda what I meant. But aren’t you being a little unfair by saying that every manospherian only lifts and gets cool stuff to impress girls?

          • Joelsuf

            They do it to impress each other too and that’s what’s real funny about it. And it isn’t manospherians as much as it is most dudes in general who are told by Hollywood and pop music to put chicks on pedestals and impress them.

            Manospherians just think that every chick is an SJW out to falsely accuse them of rape which is stupid. I’ve dated and had sex with full blown SJWs and have had them cook for me and shit. But to even be accused you have to make a move first and I highly doubt that manospherians have any experience in that judging from my recent interactions.

  • Joelsuf

    I’m about to get banned from Blackdragon’s blog too, for supporting someone who rustled his jimmies. All I said was “lol rekt” to the rustler’s comment. That’s literally all I did.

    Now even the fucking manosphere has become a bunch of hypersensitive assholes. How sad. Can’t anyone understand that trolling and rustling jimmies is a form of bonding when you are just making fun? I mean if you are actually being hateful that’s one thing but just joking? Really? That deserves a ban?

    • I suppose the problem lies in the medium (text communication). There is nothing to suggest how to interpret the words, so you interpret them not based on the mimics or intonations of the sayer, but on your emotional state.

      That said, hey, you kinda don’t wanna live in someone’s shadow letting him dictate what you are able to express. When you don’t even get the benefit of a doubt despite perceiving yourself as a regular, well, maybe it’s time to move on, because why stay around those who don’t appreciate you? Then again … one is being appreciated, just not by the owner of the place. Ah, how I hate hierarchy. Then again, I can’t really imagine a world without it. Heh.

      • Joelsuf

        Oh yeah I’ve definitely given up on commenting on Blackdragon’s blogs now. Which is sad, cuz I agree with like 90% of the stuff he says. The problem definitely doesn’t lie in the medium, as the phrase “lol” was in my reply which pretty much explains itself. Well that just cost him a viewer. All he had to do was make fun right back. Making fun and trolling are forms of bonding as long as certain lines don’t get crossed. If I feel like I crossed certain lines I always apologize for it. Making fun of someone’s methods to get chicks (which is what the rustler did) does not warrant a ban at all.

        Even Mike fucking Cernovich didn’t get this. He made a post about the alt-right, and quoted a phrase from an Encyclopedia Dramatica article about the alt-right (I suggest you check out ED, its hilarious). He deleted it within seconds.

        At least the progressives I mess with play along sometimes. But not the manosphere apparently.

        • icyt

          Post the quote here so we can judge its hilarity. ED has a mix of funny and lame depending on the article.

          • Joelsuf

            I can’t post it, at least not in an original sense because Blackdragon deleted it. Basically, Blackdragon is known for keeping spreadsheets of chicks in his life. He posted a dating coaching article, and someone said “chicks dig BD’s spreadsheets.” And I responded “lol get rekt.” Both comments got deleted. I can however post his butthurt response:

            “joelsuf – Rule Number 4 of this blog states that you can’t feed trolls. You certainly can’t encourage them; now you’ve used up all your lives. If you feed a troll one more time, even if it’s an “oops by accident” thing, you’ll be banned. If wish to continue posting here I suggest you pause and think before you type.”

            That was in response to my “get rekt” response. And then, in his infinite hypocrisy, he posts this to someone else who made a similar joke about him:

            “Jokes and sarcasm are not against the rules here, so you’re fine. (If jokes or sarcasm weren’t allowed on this blog, I wouldn’t be able to post either.)”

            Methinks we have exposed another PUA.

          • “chicks dig BD’s spreadsheets.”

            THAT is trolling? Jesus Christ, what a pussy.

          • Joelsuf

            Yeah and I bought two fucking books from him too. Hook, line and sinker. At least all I spent was $40 or so.

          • I suppose hubris catches the best of us.

          • Joelsuf

            Hubris and narcissism has been coded into our DNA, I’m sure of it.

          • The predator’s mind. Heh. Have you heard of MKUltra?

          • TSK

            Jeez you bought $40 book from him and he bans you like that? talk about “supporting” their followers.

          • Joelsuf

            Well I didn’t get banned, I got a “final warning” meaning if I make fun of him again or laugh at someone making fun of him again I will get banned. I have nothing against BD. His books are really good and he has an alright worldview. But just like everyone else, he was raised to take himself too seriously and is a TBA (Triggered Butthurt Asshole). I’ve come expect that from almost everyone on the internet nowadays.

            It is deceptively difficult not to be a TBA nowadays, seeing as almost EVERYTHING around you from parents to teachers to pop music to media is screaming at you to develop a massive ego and take yourself way too seriously.

          • Good point about TBAs. Maybe that’s why I often feel like I can’t really identify with any major ‘group’ out there. It’s all a fucking caricature.

          • Joelsuf

            Oh its done been a caricature, for decades now. Only its being brought to more and more attention and the underbelly of all of these special interest and “activist” groups are just beginning to emerge.

            By the 2020s we’ll see more and more violent crimes performed in the name of these groups, and “trolls” like me and you will be unwarranted martyrs.

          • TSK

            “…..or laugh at someone making fun of him again I will get banned. ”

            Wow… just wow…

            I do that all the time. I guess I better stop as well.

      • Jim Johnson

        Although there is more work involved, there is something about BSing around a bonfire that you just can’t do with a computer.

    • yup

      Like you said, “Hypersensitive assholes”. Snowflakes aren’t only in the world of feminism it seems……

  • Jim Trompe

    Its a sign of insecurity those who are unable to accept criticism. I’ve followed Roosh for a long time, And while he has been very successful as a businessman, and he has finally got some intellectual chops, he is mediocre in game at best, and seems to still be struggling in his own final development. I remember stumbling onto his flickr account long ago. Painful cringeworthy photos, plenty of porkers. But he has made something of all his effort, so more power to him. The road is not straight. As far as banning you see the same shit all over the rooshv forum, people with great posts and a long long history count..and one day banned. How much quality posts are lost because young moderators have been given a little bit of power?

    • Abba Okoro

      What’s his flickr?

      • Jim Jones Koolaid

        He set it back to private long ago when it came out but some of the photos are still floating around.

  • Morrison

    Tom – you and I have dialogged at times on the ROK forum and I too was disappointed to see you banned. Honestly I think your comments were quite benign (auf Deutsch “benigne” zusagan) that is to say that I fail to see how your remarks could have such a knee-jerk reaction from Roosh & Co.

    Like you, I have always had the position that, whereas I am happy Trump got elected, he still has to prove himself – and this was exactly my impression of your post in question.

    And yeah, one would think that with someone such as yourself, who had been active and posted 10k comments at ROK, that should be worth some consideration – that a warning email would have been better.

    Yet every time I go to comment on an article at ROK, there are tons of spammers with their get rich quick schemes posted almost daily – and many are not removed.

    It’s for me bothersome to see this policy on ROK which is supposed to be a place where guys can speak their mind. From this point on, a part of me will feel like I’ll be walking on egg shells everytime I post something there.

    Whatever the case, Tom – I wish you the very best. Who knows, maybe there could be one day a change of heart over at ROK. Wir werden sehen.

    Grüße
    Morrison

  • Jim Johnson

    Tom it is good to see you didn’t get hit by a bus, man. I was a little worried about you.

    • Thanks! I am good in that regard. No bus troubles. Heh.

  • Smokingjacket

    Over sensitivity is a very feminine trait for the self proclaimed leader of the neo- masculine to have- make’s one wonder- doesn’t it?

    • Heh. I mustn’t judge, I am quite sensitive myself. But for a leader … yeah well. Who knows, maybe the greatest leaders must be the most sensitive of all, afraid of losing their status?

      • Smokingjacket

        Delicate tender little wall flowers, aren’t they! He who can’t face criticism isn’t really a man in my book. It’s called taking it on the chin. It’s the hallmark of “decent masculinity”

        • Drifter

          Spot on! And if we can so easily see their weakness so can women. I can just imagine how hurt and resentful these “men” get when a woman rejects them.

    • Joelsuf

      True story. The Alt-Right are just as much TBAs (Triggered Butthurt Assholes, a term I made up for people who take shit way too seriously) and POSes (Paranoid Oppressed Supremacists, a term I made up for people who think that only their group is “right” and has “the facts to prove it”) as feminists. I would argue that they are working together to make sure the battle of the sexes and war of the gender never ends. It doe line their pockets with money after all.

  • TSK

    I got banned on RoK before when I trolled as a Neo Nazi LOL but now I”m able to comment again; I think it was because I made a lot of good thoughtful comments afterwards on rooshv website. I don’t know how I was able to comment on RoK again. I think the point is that you have to get on Roosh’s good side because once you piss him off or he doesn’t like what you said, it’s game over and I think he is the type of person who holds grudge and bit vindictive.

    I have to admit, I used to enjoy RoK back then but now most of the articles there are fillers. Once in a while though you do get a good article out of all other recycled articles that seem repetitive and sales page from Mike Chang or some Kratom seller.

    As for Trump, yeah I think he is good candidate but people were treating him as if he is some demi-God and even giving him a portrait of him resembling in George Washington uniform. I don’t know if anyone saw that pic.

    I think part of the reason why they might have banned your comment was that you called it as it is. The RoK needs a huge following from Trump lovers who will religiously follow the site for any pro-trump message and websites needs huge traffic and the bigger the traffic, the better conversation for $$$$ when Roosh releases his ebook or audio video products.

    Especially the timing since Trump won the election and people need to follow a website and website needs a huge massive audience and conversion of that $$$$$.

    I hope I don’t get banned in his website for this. I wish Roosh all good luck and I don’t have anything against him but I think it’s ridiculous of banning people just because it is perceived to be “an attack against RoK writers”. I think it’s ironic that in “manosphere” red pill community, we teach men to be thick skinned but at the same time, some people seem to be hypersensitive.

    • Good comment and points.

      I do not really enjoy reading RooshV.com so I don’t think that’ll happen heh. Maybe I’ll just create another account.

      I too hope you don’t get banned. Take care.

    • Iattacku

      I agree the articles are all pretty much the same thing now. How many times are we gonna talk about how bad feminism is? How many times will we talk about the decline? How many times will we talk about the elites controlling the world with their eye of sauron? How many times are we gonna create a worship Trump article? The site is starting to get highly repetitive and if it wasnt for a few really funny people in the comment section i probably wouldnt be on it.

    • jz95

      Don’t know if you read the Roosh V forum, but there was a time when the posters were beside themselves with glee over the fact that Trump supposedly has a large penis.
      I wish I was kidding.
      Took “dick-riding” to a whole new level.

      • TSK

        Yeah I think I remember reading that before. It was cringe worthy.

        While I respect and give credits to men who have great leadership and credibility; the whole hero worship mentality is just too much.

        I think it’s mainly that these guys lacked real fatherhood role model and this is one of their way to express it online.

        Reminds me of chicks who grew up without father and act all defensive on outside but once you get them in bed, they suck your dick the hardest. Lmao.

  • Deanie Dean

    IMO what you said wasn’t anything major. Definitely not enough for an insta-ban, you should’ve gotten warned instead.

    That’s what happens when you idolize people you haven’t met bro, you never get to know how they are actually like.

    For me, i believe if i was getting good value out of a website, i wouldn’t care so much if i was to be get banned as i don’t fall for the whole community bs.

  • Jack Redrum

    That’s so funny. I’ve been commenting for 3 years there and they banned me because I criticized the writer of an article for judging Trump before he gets into office as well. What a bunch of pussies.

    • Lol! Oh man. Yeah they don’t seem to give too many fucks apparently. Well, if they can afford it, more power to them, I guess.

      • Jack Redrum

        Do they ban just your disqus name or your IP address?

        • Originally only my Disqus user, but later turns out the IP too (second time I tried to use a new addy).

          Which is surprising to me because I was convinced that IPs are reassigned every 24 hours here in Germany so they must have banned a whole IP range which may well mean that half of Munich can’t comment anymore, but I may be ignorant, what do I know…

          • Jack Redrum

            That’s pretty gay man. Did you get them to lift your ban? This censorship is really beneath ROK.

          • Nope and I don’t care to go begging – not that I think it would work either way.

            If I grow desperate, I’ll find myself some working proxy, but I’ve been too lazy to do that yet. BUT I have a fabulous new nickname.

          • Jack Redrum

            Yeah I have no inclination to do so either. I agree with their general red pill philosophy but too many of their articles have become red pill mental masturbation and circle jerks. It will mostly be Breitbart, Heartiste and the Drudge Report for me now.

          • I still read their articles and some comments, but I simply don’t comment anymore. More time for other stuff I guess heh.

          • Jack Redrum

            I tried commenting with a new Disqus profile and it was blocked too so I figured I have an IP (first time offender).

    • Red Hood’s Assault

      You got banned too? You were one of the few guys I found really level headed and cool when some of the more race charged articles started to comeback out. Hope all is good with you.

    • Jim Johnson

      I wondered what happened to you, one of the better commenters. FWIW, most of the gang is at akingscastle.com

  • djdjdj

    Hey Tom, I guess I’m late to the party. It sucks you got banned over there while some other commentors are allowed free reign to spew some really stupid shit time and time again. There’s even a female commentor who consistently shoots barbs at Kyle Trouble after every single article he writes (not that I’m a huge fan of his either, but I reserve those thoughts to myself to avoid the ban hammer). No ban for her. There are some others too, even some who have written articles for ROK, who are most likely kooks. They believe some crazy shit that is not backed by real life experience. There was definitely plenty of hypocrisy on display with your ban.

    • Heya, thanks for the comment. I think I’m over it by now.

  • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

    Ooowwhh… So that’s why I never see you in the comment section again.
    Doesn’t mean to kiss your ass, but I kinda like you, bro (no homo). You often left your thoughts/opinions that is so different than mine. That’s the point, that’s why I like it; that’s the beauty of the comment section. Sometimes it’s even more interesting than the article itself. Too bad though. What a shame. It’s kinda funny how men who brag themselves to be “the alpha male” could get offended so easily.. Geez.

    • Thanks. Yeah, oh well. I still read the articles sometimes. Anyways, I got my own trolls now, haha.

      • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

        Meh, the site is getting pretty borring and repetitive now. If someday I get banned, I wouldn’t complain. Fuck it.
        Excuse me to leave my rant here, but ROK is slowly making me… uneasy and … unaccepted.
        Look, I’m not a white Caucasian man, okay? That’s 100% out of my control. When I look at the comment section just for the last two weeks alone, I noticed how those commenters called “my kind” names and often degrade all non-whites as less of a human. Being happy and proud for being from a certain ethnicity or nation is one thing, but to say that non-whites are less of a human… that’s very narcissistic, arrogant, and very childish imo. To find somebody decent is already hard enough. I don’t wanna limit myself with fucking skin colors. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought “manosphere” was about masculine men encouraging and advising each other. Not about “bow to us you non-white peasants.”
        The quality of comments are now getting lower and lower every day. Mostly just new commenters echoing each other.

        • I am not sure about how I think about race, to be honest. I tend towards not caring about skin color. Never did. But then, being called racist by the media all the time, or by black people (happened to me a few times), for no reason, pisses me off, and actually makes me a little racist. I mean … not that I would consider blacks “inferior” or anything … it’s not an objective thing … but subjectively, if one group singles me out for being white, and they are black, and then there’s a group of white people who are against those black people … the choice is straight-forward, right? But then, I hate being part of any group, so generally any form of collectivism annoys me. That includes collectivism based on race. Just so much pointless pain and conflict … plus it’s mega-corny, as you say.

          I guess the question is whether racism is “genetical”. If it is, there is not much one can do about it. You know, like girls being bitches. It’s not what you’d like it to be, but the best way ends up being accepting it as it is. But anyway, I have not meditated on it too much, so I don’t really know.

          “Manosphere” … oh well. Why get attached to ideals only to see them tarnished and destroyed, right? It is what it is.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            ” if one group singles me out for being white, and they are black…” Then they’re the childish one. The fuck is that for anyway?
            Yeah, I totally get what you mean, though.
            I despise non-whites who play victim just like I despise whites who play god.

          • So tell me, what use is it to me to know that someone is “childish” when they may end up harming me or killing me?

            Of course it’s a silly game … but it starts being real when your life is at stake.

            Get what I mean? Conditioning is totally moronic and simple. It’s idiocy. But this idiocy asserts itself with brainless cruelty that can be impossible withstand.

            That’s why it works.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            Hah. Right.

        • jz95

          I’ve been thinking the same thing man. It’s not the ROK I first discovered two years ago. It’s basically become a white nationalist forum. I suppose Roosh allows this in hopes that they’ll let him keep fucking white women.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            Yeah. And don’t get me wrong. I have no problem with Caucassians in general. They are good. I’m friends with a lot of them.

            It’s just that… those “whites” on ROK are very hypocrites sometimes…
            I’ve read some of the commenters said that they’re proud of the fact that it was whites that erased slavery system for good (which perhaps true at some point), YET they said that non-whites are less than them. I thought “the fuck do these guys want?!”
            It’s like they want all praise, respect and luxury JUST by being born from a certain color. Sorry buddy, it’s 2017. You must EARN it with your own bare hands.
            I hate seeing people playing victim (mostly non-whites), just the same as I hate seeing people playing god (in this case, just like whites on ROK).

            And oh, Matt Forney is FAT.

          • jz95

            Never thought I’d say it, but I actually miss Matt Forney. The guys who have taken his place are way worse than he ever was. If I had to put up with the occasional Forney article to have the old ROK back I would.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            Oh sure, you have a right to like him. I understand why. He threw some good articles here and there.
            It’s just… the site often talk about fitness and health. So, to have a writer that is fat and forbid or even ban anyone who dare to point out his obvious problem is kind of funny for me, because again, I thought manosphere was a space for masculine men to “advising and encouraging each other towards self-improvement”.
            One of the commenters here left a comment on ROK which more like a suggestion to Forney to lose some weight (sounds like a good advice for me), then he got banned by Roosh right after for that exact reason.

          • jz95

            Oh, I don’t like Matt Forney. Not in the slightest. But I’d much rather put up with the occasional Matt Forney article than the writers they have now.

          • Iattacku

            Dont forget the articles complaining about black men with white women yet they are constantly promoting white men with asian and latina women.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            Oh yeah, that too.

          • Iattacku

            Return of Kings became Return of Klan

  • Abba Okoro

    You too? I got banned back in August for saying that you shouldn’t flush condoms down toilets. Somehow that’s offensive and lliable for me to get banned.

    I’ve talked to the author of the article who was cool with the comment so this whole thing confuse me..

  • Jennifer Schonberg

    Roosh is an extremely narcissistic individual and racist. Some of his articles on indians is downright bullshit. On one hand he exalts men as if they were from the court of king arthur and denigrates all women as sluts when in fact there are quite a lot of them with commitment and honor. This guy is shortsighted. Most of his articles are relevant but highly inconsistent. The other day i posted on some topic on the love of girls for gays in the subcontinent which leads to the girl facing a painful death and gave out relevant links. The comment was deleted. He hates women commenting, indians, blacks and so on….. No wonder there is so much of a public ire on him. He is everybody’s fool.

  • Iattacku

    Yea i think im pretty much done with that site now. They have pretty much gone full blown white nationalist. Hell the new article they posted was on the greatness of the white man. I mean yes i can understand and i even agree with their resentment against the whole white guilt thing but they are going to the other extreme and it is pretty obvious. I thought ROK was a website that is supposed to help men interact with each other and help each other become better men but i guess not. Most of the new articles merely complain about something instead of offering self-help stuff. That website has became really toxic and you should be glad you got banned because it is a shadow of its former self.

    • Didn’t read that article, but in and of itself, it doesn’t strike me as bad. Why not have such an article? I mean, I personally find it silly to identify with the deeds of people who are not you just because they were also white … but hey … people are fucking stupid, so why not.

      • Iattacku

        The sad part is that isnt the only dumb article they released recently. I thought the site was about promoting masculinity but it has fallen into doing nothing but complaining and slowly becoming full blown white nationalist site.

        • jz95

          I wonder how much longer it’ll be until Roosh is forced out of his own site.

          • How do you imagine that could happen?

      • jz95

        There’s nothing wrong with taking pride in your heritage. But if you take it too far, it just becomes assholish. Think the alt-right/identitarians and “We Wuz Kangz.”

        • Sometimes the difference between pride and assholishness is merely perspective.

  • ThunderLips

    I got banned for asking why the site has changed so much over the past year. It went from expressing manhood and becoming the best version of yourself to jezebel for men. Ironically they stress in their articles that the left is intolerant of different points of view. Wow

  • I’ve seen two more people banned in the past week. It’s getting pretty sparse over at ROK…..

    • Tom, FWIW I am posting trying to get you guys reinstated. ROK has had a rough time but the past 7-10 days have seen some top notch material so maybe you and the other guys can come back and make it like it was when I found it in 2015

      • Hiya there. That’s a nice gesture man, but I wouldn’t do that if I were you. Last guy who tried that got banned too. Heh.

        • Then I’ll get banned. Open discourse should be something we are willing to lose things for

          • As long as you’re losing it for your own ideals and not for my sake, I’m fine. :)

      • jz95

        I’m with Tom on this one. ROK jumped the shark some time ago. It’s essentially become toxic. Roosh wants to have his own little cult, let him. That’s pretty much what it’s become on all his platforms now.

        • Hm, it’s still a pretty unique site for what it is, from what I can tell. I’m not sure how the climate in the comments has developed, but the content is still something that serves the niche very well and I am not aware of many alternatives, are you?

          I mean yeah, there are these “The Herculean Man” and whatnot sites (hope that one doesn’t actually exist, because I don’t mean to insult anyone), but they tend to be not quite as … I don’t even know.

        • Iattacku

          jz95 nooo. you were banned man that sucks

          • jz95

            Eh, not really. In a way it was sort of a blessing in disguise. It wasn’t really giving me anything constructive anymore.

          • Iattacku

            Well it seems like a lot of the people who were banned moved to akingscastle.com

          • jz95

            Jesus Christ. They banned Ghost of Jefferson? What the fuck?

          • Iattacku

            Yea man thy went crazy and banned him, John Galt, the kneeman, and just about every major commenter that isn’t a stormer. Everyone moved to akingscastle which is a lb overall more productive site. It mainly focuses on self improvement. Hopefully it stays like that and follow in the footprints of ROK.

    • I visit every now and then. Seen some nice articles lately.

    • AshleySugarNotch

      I got banned in the last few days. I believe it was for refusing to show you my tits.

      • Refusal to show tits is a very good reason to ban, though.

  • Just some guy

    I just got banned today because I asked another commenter to prove his god (the Christian one) was and he wouldn’t, so I asked again. He still wouldn’t, to which I replied “Still waiting for proof”. It was then that I got banned with no warning whatsoever.

    Turns out if you question these guys about their imaginary friends they turn into big cry babies who just shut you down, just like the liberals they hate.

    Fucking hypocritical pussies.

    • If that’s all you did, they have become truly thin-skinned. Weird.

    • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

      Haha. I asked a guy about his Jesus and his Bible today on the comment section of one of the recent articles on ROK. He went all bonkers, man.
      They want to learn games to fuck sluts with Jesus still in their hearts. Amazing.

      • Just some guy

        Best way to turn a conservative into a snowflake is to criticize his religion.

  • Apparently I got banned for posting the following video of Matt Forney beneath one of his articles:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNlCCqd0SY4

    I honestly do not get Roosh’s love affair with MF; the latter dude is a disgrace to masculinity and the “nationalists” he associates with.

    • jz95

      I can never get over the fact that Forney is only a few years older than I am, yet he looks like he’s in his forties.

  • Fokker TISM

    What do you make of Trump now that he’s been in office for 6 months?

    • Honestly, I haven’t been really following politics in the past months since the US election. I hear a lot of bad stuff about Trump, but I haven’t taken the time to research any of it, so dunno. I know he’s being painted as a Nazi and incoherent retard a lot. But what’s new, right …

      How about you?

      • jz95

        Nazi no, although he has certainly empowered that crowd.
        Incoherent/incompetent yes. Absolutely.

  • GhostOfJefferson ✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

    And…I was just banned yesterday. And today, John Galt got banned to. No actual real reason given to JG, and I was given a line of horseshit that was full of holes and lies by Roosh.

    Fuck’it, let the site whither. That seems to be Roosh’s intent anyway, to kill his site.

    • Of all people, YOU were banned? I don’t fucking believe it.

      Well, not much left of the ROK I knew, I guess.

    • Hecate

      And when I wrote one day that Roosh doesn’t seem to be well mentally balanced these days, I was accused of having a crush on him :-).

      • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

        LOL WTF

      • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

        They let women in now. Great.

        • Hecate

          Actually, some of them think that “Hecate” is a man :-) . For those I am invisible.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            I knew it.

        • Hecate

          I read one post yesterday that Roosh claimed that he is going to ban anybody who answers a woman’s post . I don’t know if it is true, but for case it is… I ask myself… Everybody here is or at least wants to be an alpha male. But still is afraid of Roosh’s blackmailing. It is like “Roosh told me to jump out of the window so I did”. Funny, really.

          • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

            “Roosh told me to jump out of the window so I did”.
            Terrible analogy.
            It’s not just “because Roosh said so”.
            He made that policy to keep that manosphere site “clean” from the contamination of women and fags (yet women keep coming and trying too hard to be one of the guys). Not because men are afraid of women and fags. Just like girls enjoy their “ladies night”, guys enjoy their manosphere. Iron sharpens iron. Although not every men here are interested to be an alpha male, mind you.

            I don’t care if you knew this already, but Tom despises female commenters and here you are on his blog.

          • Hecate

            I don’t care about Tom at all. I was just dissapointed that GhostOfJefferson was banned, so I react on his comment, that’s all. I wanted to write more to him that day, but I was busy these days and … yeah, he probably didn’t give a fuck about me and my oppinion on Roosh, so I won’t bother him with it :-), … but simply, I liked GhostOfJefferson and his posts. I wish I could meet him personaly one day (impossible), but it doesn’t mean I have a crush on him.

            Anyway, I don’t think my analogy was terrible. I insist on what I said. Maybe not every guy feels the urge to ignore a woman’s comment here per se. It’s IMO the same like that not everybody wants to be an alpha male.

            After all, why do you answered my post?

            The last thing, I don’t try hard to be one of those ROK guys. I’ve never pretend to be a man, I’m happy as a woman. I not the feminist either (I’m not American/West European, as you probably know). I had a specific reason why I participated in discutions on ROK and that purpose was already met.

    • I’m not fat I’m just curvy lol

      They even let girls in now. How wonderful.

  • pauldrake

    I got banned by QC for very pointedly taking him to task for his love of Jerry Heller and NWA style gangsta rap. I’m hoping to some day meet him so he can call me to my face what he called me on line. I understand there was recently another massive purge on ROK, some of the most prolific and IMO best posters got the ban hammer. US neo masculinists or whatever the hell we are just love to devour each other don’t we?

    Reading some of the posts here I can see not just a few posters who would probably want me banned for my views. Maybe I’m beyond the red pill. We are disorganized as hell and yes we are marching to dystopia. If I was still young I would be so out of the soul destroying so called advanced West. Does that mean I get banned here too?

    • Banning is not typically my thing. I don’t think I ever banned anyone.

      • pauldrake

        My comment was partly in jest and in part recognizing my sharp disagreement with some of the ideas posted here. No intention to single you out. Good luck in your on line endeavors.

  • Jim Johnson

    I was banned, but I think I deserved it. I was trying to tell englishbob where we are.

    • jz95

      Welcome to the club, Jim! You’re probably much better off now!